Wednesday, 3 December 2008

Deepstacked hand discussion


Thought I'd post this hand I recently went over while doing some hand reviews with a friend. It's a pretty interesting spot where we're deepstacked against a decent player at microstakes. I think it illustrates some of the adjustments that need to be made between playing 100BB and deepstacked.

Villain is playing 21/15/3, we are 270BB deep.

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem at FTP
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($16.35)
Hero (CO) ($27.05)
BTN ($10.00)
SB ($36.45)
BB ($21.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is CO

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.70, SB calls $2.50


So when this type of player 3bets us OOP deep I'd expect his range to be fairly strong. TT+/AQ+ pretty much, maybe KQs/99 at a push. When we're deep we actually respond to 3bets a lot different than 100BB. If we're 100BB here we 4bet and get it in, but being so deep if we 4bet here then he's going to slow down with the portion of his range that we have beat and raise with the portion which beats us... which sucks. So in this spot I'd really only 4bet as a bluff or with AA/KK. We're calling with 99-QQ/AK. This also gains us the advantage of villain perceiving our range to be a LOT weaker than it is, and we can play accordingly.

Anyways, we 4bet which isn't a terrible or anything. He flats, so now his range is very very polarised. Mostly AQ/AK/TT/JJ, a small amount of the time he'll flat AA, but it doesn't have enough weight against the rest of his range to worry about.


Flop: ($7.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB calls $4.50



Flop is fantastic for us and we bet out a nice amount. He calls. Now his range is heavily weighted towards AsKs/TT/JJ (he can't have AsQs/KsQs as we have the Qs).

Turn: ($16.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks


Turn isn't great, but isn't terrible either. Only AsKs really gets there, but note that a larger portion of his range is TT/JJ with a spade which he's playing for stacks now. Hell even TT/JJ isn't folding here yet imo, so we're playing for stacks. We have $19 effective and a $16.50 pot.

So given that we're never folding regardless of what happens we don't need to be worried about giving him good odds to draw any more, we can bet whatever we like. I'd bet an amount that he can't really fold to with TT/JJ and that commits him to calling a river shove. Installment plan time :) So $8 or $9 on the turn looks good. On the river we're betting the rest of our stack.


River: ($16.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB calls $9


As played river is a fantastic card for us and we have to bet. Thinking about his range again, he's folding overs and calling with the TT/JJ type hands. Given that we checked turn our range now looks a lot lighter to him so he's never folding river with TT/JJ. I'd betsize bigger, something like $14.50 as if he's calling $9 he's calling that too. He'll just never fold an OP there, he'll convince himself that because you checked turn you're bluffing big with AK as his line was passive.


Final Pot: $34.50
SB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $33.50 ( won +$16.30 )
SB lost -$17.20


Interesting hand. It's a spot where villain's range was so tightly defined that we can play our hand SUPER OPTIMALLY. I think this is where a lot of the money is in todays games as people tend to play really spewy in 3bet/4bet pots rather than hand-reading.

3 comments:

Amatay said...

nice analysis fish. this is excactly how i used to bust people in my cash days with AA/kk Vrs peeps holding qq jj 1010 type hands.

Willie said...

Nice analysis Baz. Are the stack sizes messed up? Missing a 0 i think. Still going to Thiland? Lucky * I found some great affilate stuff if you want ill shoot you a mail sometime over the weekend.

All the best

Anonymous said...

Hey Baz,

Geo here, just catching up on your Blog. Stunned you're giving up the job and leaving Edinburgh.......Not!!

Just wanted to wish you well mate and hope all goes right for you.

With all that time on your hands I expect a lot more updates.

All the best mate.

Geo