Discipline (or lack of it)
The biggest thing I've noticed is god damn it's hard to be self-disciplined and self-motivated. Have I got up at 9am yet? No. Have I gone to the gym yet? No. :S When all I really need to be worried about is getting some hands in at poker I don't really bother doing anything else. Think that's mainly down to me personally lacking a lot of self-discipline, I'm generally a very undisciplined person despite the best intentions.
Volume (or lack of it)
Day 1 I put in I think about 1.3k hands. But I mean I felt like I played a lot of hands, I didn't feel like a cruised it. I still felt relatively motived to play, but I was easily distracted by other things. Day 2 I put in just over 1k hands, which would have been more if it wasn't for having to quit early. It'd help to be on another site too so I had juicier tables available, as I was sometimes only 2-3 tabling. I don't really think I'd have too much of a problem getting motivated to put in around 1.5k hands a day, 5 days a week or whatever. That only comes to around 30k hands per month though, which most would argue isn't enough. However I like to spend around 2 hours a day on poker outside of the grinding... reviewing hands for myself and others, railing people, coaching and watching videos. My point? Putting 40-50k hands in per month would be very difficult to sustain unless you're playing 8+ tables, so I've got a lot of respect for professional players who do pull that off.
So yea, they're the 2 main points that have stuck out at me so far. There's been a ton of intersting play over the last couple of days as I've been playing with the regs a lot more which is a lot of fun. Was about to wind up the session to take a break tonight when this hand came up...
Interesting Hand
$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
Converted at weaktight.com
| Hero | ($828.30) | ||
| UTG+1 | ($422.70) | ||
| CO | ($510.50) | ||
| BTN | ($387.60) | ||
| SB | ($694.90) | ||
| BB | ($400.00) |
Pre-flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, SB calls $12, 1 fold
My table image is really aggro. I took a buy-in off of villain about 20 hands ago in a hand that he played like a complete spewtard. Villain is 19/16/3, other than previous stacking hand i think he's pretty decent.
I think he's good enough to know that he can open his flatting range pre here because we're deep. So his range pre is as wide as Axs, broadway, scs and pps.
Flop:
($32, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB calls $24
Flop is obviously bingo, he checks really quickly leading me to believe that he's - at least - calling any cbet, I bet regular sized and he snap calls. Almost certain he has a hand with some sort of strength now, like an A for a FD, I guess a PP still fits too.
Turn:
($80, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $58, SB raises to $128, Hero calls $70
Turn is a great card for me as it makes the flush so I lead out wanting a call. He check-raises me about 2.3x, at this point i'm putting him pretty strongly on a flush. AK/KK are extremely unlikely as he 3bets me pre with them for sure. I don't really feel like he ever bluffs here, so I'm putting him on a flush almost exclusively. At the time I decide to flat (repping my hand as AT+) and let him lead the river where I'll move in, as the stack sizes will be perfect and I doubt he'll be able to find the fold. In heinsight this is probably a mistake, if I put him on a flush here then I should raise as there are a bunch of turn cards that could kill my action, like another diamond, K or the case 5 or A.
River:
($336, 2 players)SB bets $136, $136 to Hero ($662.3)?
The only hand I can put villain on at this point that could stack me is AJ. However I think I get a shove called by any flush (he calls like 60-70% of the time), AQ, and maybe AT.
So I shove, villain calls with... JcJh. Gaaay. I'm pretty sure my shove is still correct. Nice -$1.4k river to end the session lol. That was probably just a bad beat veiled in strategy, lol. I quit all tables real quick and don't play for the rest of the evening, which i'm happy with.
Champions League final tomorrow... Gwannn the Man U!
4 comments:
I thin that hand is basically a cooler. You have to stack off there, and I agreed with your reads on all streets. He happened to get lucky on the river, that happens. I found it interesting that you and I both though he would never go for a C/R bluff on the turn, but he did. I know JJ is not a total bluff, as he has some value, but he is not getting value with it by doing the C/R, so he turned it into a bluff, which you already knew. lol Yes, I am just telling you things you already know. I was surprisd by his hand. I do think you should be reraising this turn, because you could definitely be doing that with a lot of aces in your range and flushes will definitely be calling you.
I also think it is fine to not post monetary daily increments, but it is still kinda cool with the increased volume of hands to post interesting hands that might be worth discussing.
Oh and get your lazy butt to the gym!! lol
Good to hear you are enjoying your week as a 'pro'. Now get some hands in...all us people who have a real jobs wish we could. :)
No sure about jamming for value on the river over the guys lead. I suppose it depends how good a player he is. If he is good he would he would call your raise of 400ish more without a FH? Depends on stack sizes i suppose. Just a quick thought.
I don't mind the turn call as it allows him to bluff / value bet a worse hand on the river. Just not sure when he shows this much strength (turn CR then river lead) if you then jam over his bet he will call with a flush or worse. Obv any other FH beats yours.
Tough spot and it depends how aggro you guys were playing.
Would like to hear your thoughts.
MrSpeed
Interesting update. I think that a lot of pros who get in 40k - 50k hands probably don't spend the amount of time with poker off the tables that you do, and that's also probably a huge discipline item...to do all the offline study.
On the hand, I can't fault your play (and also I don't have much experience playing this deep), but here's where I would maybe do something different. It's probably based on the results though! Anyway, since you think that villain is good, I would probably just call on the river. The thing is, he showed a ton of strength on a board that could have hit you pretty hard. Big aces and flush draws that got there on the turn are in your range, as they are his. His checkraise pretty much polarizes his range to bluffs flushes or better. His bet on the river shows that he has at least a flush. His bet looks like he is either trying to show down cheap or induce a shove, and when you do shove, your line looks super strong. If he is good, I don't see him calling with a flush on this board (maybe, maybe the nut flush). I may be giving him too much credit, as I kind of hate his play.
If I were in his shoes, even though I hit my gin card on the river, I would still not be thrilled about it when the stacks go in. To him, KK+, AK, and even AJ should be your range when you shove, as with a flush on this board after he c/r the turn and led the river, you are probably calling to showdown as cheaply as possible, as you likely would with a naked Ax where x is a diamond. I'm not sure what I think his line should be on the river given how he got there, but I don't think weak-lead/call a shove is it.
Marc: Not sure about my study. I think I do a bit too much hand analysis now actually, gonna have to review the way I study and stuff at the end of the month I as think I should be grinding more!
As for the hand, the guy is a bad player (as proven by his retard turn move). He will call off with decent flushes on that board. River jam is tight for sure but I'm still convinced there's at least a little bit of value though. I'll just keep telling myself there was value ;)
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