There was a cool part of my afternoon session yesterday where this donk basically took me to pieces over about 10 mins... really pissed me off at the time and I quit the session because I was frustrated. Gonna go back over the key hands here and check to see if I made any mistakes, adjusting to superloose maniac villains can often be something I do badly.
SuperLagDonk plays like 60/40/4 with a WTSD of 32. Guy is just a complete spazzer, his spew is ridiculous, he floats and raises flop bets a ridiculous amount of the time... he's the reason I'm at the table playing 3/6. Nevertheless he put me in some difficult spots due to his wide ranges and aggression. Naming him SuperLagDonk as I don't really want to call him out on here.
Anyway, these hands all occur within like 10 mins of each other...
Hand #1 : River makes a straight on the board
Considering this guys image and the fact that he could easily be bluffing at this trying to take it down, is there any way I can fold here? Do you think he'd check maybe putting me on something like 89 if he didn't have an 8?
Hand #2 : Can't be +ev calling on the river here?
Given that I've seen the guy call light on the flop a lot, and float a lot I guess I have to give him a bit more credit this time as he's making the call OOP. On the river I doubt he value bets a Q 8 or 7, I think he must have QT, T8, T7, A7, A8, maybe J9. I know he's capable of making a small bet like that with no hand on a board that coordinated if he thinks his opponent is weak. How often does he bluff? Not sure... again tough spot. Difficult to get a handle on how often he'll have some retarded air hand here. Don't think I can call.
Hand #3 : Big river bets mean strength
I flat the BTN as I'm happy playing JTo in position against him. Very profitable. No way I can fold the river, however I do gain the information that he bets big with strong hands on the river, could have been to make it look like a bluff in this case. But it's possible he bluffs smaller.
Hand #4 : Double-barrell on pretty dry board
Preflop and flop are very standard here. Firing the turn here is actually a value bet, I feel that I'm genuinely ahead of his turn range... I'll get value when he calls with FDs too. When he calls turn I think he either has a piece or a draw now, river misses the big draws, he checks and I check behind. My AJ high is actually good here a lot of the time I think when he calls me 2 streets with draws.
Hand #5 : ... and I lose my mind
After the previous few hands I just feel beat up by this guy, and probably start tilting, wanting to win my money back and labelling him too much as a donk spewtard.
Pre is standard, then I flop the nuts, I just flat his bet as I didn't think there was too much value in betting. Probably should have just raised him up to like $58 here, I think there definately was value, and I can take the lead back. Turn he leads same again, kind of wierd, at this point I think his range is still pretty wide, like a Q, PP, or an 8, he has a piece for sure, never has air.
Now the river should define whether he has an 8 or not, as his turn bet could have been either a blocker or an 8. A small river bet would mean blocker, and my hand is probably good... but a big river bet means that he likely has an 8 and wants value after concealing it a bit on the turn. Then again would he take this like with 57/79? Not as often as he would with an 8 I don't think.
Think I talked myself into calling where I shouldn't have here. Pretty stressful playing against maniacs as the ranges are just much wider and you're under constant pressure from them... I'll get him next time.
Tuesday, 20 May 2008
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2 comments:
Wow he is a donkey.
Hand 1)
This is a tough 1 it looks to me like hes playing the board the slight overbet at the river makes it look like a bluff, I think you can find a fold here and wait for a better spot. The results are probably chaning my view on this hand.
Hand 2)
I think your spot on with this one i would expect to see A7-A8-A10 alot of the time here, any timing tells on the turn?
Hand 3)
I think you have to call this river, I dont see why you dont raise the flop bet tho, although against such a guy you could of got stacked here if you had of.
Hand 4)
Your reading of him is pretty good just unlucky that hes hitting everything on you.
Hand 5)
Ouch. I think raising the flop is better here than just calling theres not many nice turn cards to come except maybe Q or 10, and his river bet is strange because hes betting small flop and turn then jams the river when hes showed previously his river betting is real, I think this is a tilt call good job you stopped when you did.
1) Ugh, I hate these hands. With the reads you have, I can't really fault you for a call, but you're not really giving that much up by letting him have the pot. I would probably spite call here, though.
2)I think you need to pay off the maniac anyway, once you check behind the turn. You showed him some weakness when the scare card came out, and he's offering up pretty decent pot odds. A lot of his range that beats you raises either preflop or on the flop, as well. Not that metagame should come into play, but since I think it's close, calling also may make him bluff you less OOP in the future.
3) I would raise preflop to isolate, and maybe on the flop to get it HU. I snap call on the river, and this hand also makes me more comfortable saying to call the previous hand where he weak-led the river.
4) Yeah, there's some value in the turn bet, but I think you could also check behind and call on the river if it bricks. But yeah, since he will call with all his draws, I like the bet, and you can let go pretty easily if he checkraises.
5) Seems like the type of guy who will talk himself into a lot of calls on the flop, so I could see a raise, but I don't know that I want to shut him down either. When he bets small on the turn, if you know that you are going to call a river bet, what about a re-blocking turn minraise? As played, I can find a fold now, but in the heat of battle, I'm calling these guys down pretty light and I would not be surprised if I made another spite call...although by now we haven't seen a pot-sized bluff on the river from him.
Hand reading these guys is incredibly hard, like playing at play money tables. You're right, though, you'll get him next time!
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